BlockVC首席運營官李明軒對話Skrumble Network聯合創始人Eric Lifson

5月30日晚19點，?明說塊問?第一期成功開講!?明說塊問?由BlockVC主辦，首席運營官李明軒擔任主理人，每月兩次對話區塊鏈行業大佬。

第一期成功邀請到了Skrumble Network聯合創始人Eric Lifson，對話全程采用全英直播的形式，并伴有中文翻譯。現場氛圍熱烈，可謂是分分鐘刷屏的節奏。

以下為訪談實錄：

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Alan:

Good evening, it’s very honorable today for me to catch up with Eric, co-founder of Skrumble Network (SKM), one of our main investment project. To show our honor, today we gonna to use English through all the interview with our colleague’s help about translations.

First, please let me introduce BlockVC. BlockVC is a leading blockchain investment and advisory firm. Our ecosystem investment strategy is guided by three themes: public blockchain, application protocols and financial services. We have world-class capabilities with a comprehensive range of services across geographies and investment opportunities cross through Singapore, US and China.

So, it’s very honorable to invite our friend for the talk today. Ming Talk will become our ID event online as a talkshow per month to make our project more touchable in China area, broadcast their names and increase brand efficiency. From now on, we gonna to invite lots of top leaders in blockchain area globally.

OK , Let’s welcome Eric.

譯：晚上好，很榮幸能和Skrumble Network ( SKM ) 聯合創始人對話。Skrumble Network (SKM) 是我們主要投資的項目之一，為表榮幸，我將在同事的協助翻譯下使用英語和Eric進行訪談。

首先，請允許我介紹一下BlockVC。BlockVC是一家全球領先的區塊鏈風險投資和咨詢研究機構。我們有三條主題生態投資策略：分別是基礎公鏈，應用協議和金融服務。我們擁有世界一流的綜合服務能力，為新加坡，美國和中國的各個地區提供跨地域的投資機會。

今天很榮幸能夠請到我們的朋友Eric做客“明說塊問”。“明說塊問”將作為一個月度訪談節目成為我們的線上標志性事件，讓BlockVC在全中國更廣泛的傳遞其品牌效應。從現在開始，我們將采訪全球區塊鏈領域的眾多頂級人物。

現在，讓我們掌聲歡迎Eric。

Eric:

謝謝你們，大家好，我的名字是Eric。

Hello everyone, my name is Eric and I am co-founder of Skrumble Network. Thank you guys so much for having me here, and you know we wanna really to thank BlockVC, without them we won’t be able to be where we at right now.

譯：謝謝你們，大家好!我是Eric，Skrumble Network的聯合創始人。非常感謝伙伴們提供的采訪機會!同時也想對Block VC給予我們提供的極大支持和幫助表示感謝!

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Alan:

OK, so let’s start the talk show.

With recent massive data crises, the need for secure data that is owned by users has never been stronger. Facebook recently has had 86 million accounts compromised, over 70 million Telegram accounts have had data leaked, and WhatsApp was hacked in January.

So, for the start question, I have to to ask Eric, my brother, as we know the key word of SKM is about solving the Data Crisis , so how does it work by using Blockchain technology?

譯：好的，我們現在開始吧。

最近數據泄漏危機事件頻繁，大眾對數據安全的需求變得更加強烈了。近期Facebook被曝出有八億六千萬個賬戶存在安全問題，超過7億個電報賬戶有數據泄漏的問題出現，并且WhatsApp也在今年一月份遭受了黑客攻擊。

作為開始的第一個問題，我想問我的朋友Eric，如我們所知道的那樣，SKM的關鍵詞是解決數據危機。因此，SKM是如何使用區塊鏈技術來解決這個問題的?

Eric：

Ok, thank you Alan and Gloria! So let me answer that great question. As you know, blockchain is really quite the future of the world. According to the Deloitte, over 10% of the global GDP will be on blockchain by 2027. So blockchain is the new decentralized paradigm and is really taking over the world.

The problem is, if you look at current communication options, you look at different Apps that people are using, they are not built for the new decentralized world. In fact, they are all centralized. You don’t own your data.

In such a important time where billions of dollars at stake in this new decentralized world with cryptocurrency and secure data storage, there needs to be a better solution. We look at the over 5 trillion dollar communication market, really start to think about how could we make this better. So we started Skrumble Network. Skrumble Network is really the first truly decentralized communication ecosystem.

That’s full spectrum. What that means is that we have 3 core components to our project.The first component is our own communication centric blockchain. We believe that the next major phase of blockchain is not a one size that fits all situation, which means it should be vertical focused. Whether you are talking about communication or video games, whatever it should be really driven towards certain use case.

If I means send you some ETH. I’m gonna send you million bucks right now. It’s gonna take me 30 seconds to 1 minute to transfer. That’s ok. It’s not a big deal, you can wait. But if I wanna talk to you right now. We’d better connect within about 10 seconds.

So that kind of use cases are very important. So we also need to make sure it’s very secure and very easy to use. So that’s the first component which is the secure blockchain and all the authentication is done on the blockchain. And I am going to introduce some of the technical details in a minute.

The next component is our dapp, decentralized application. What that means? It’s kind of WeChat on the Blockchain. In that, you get all those communication tools you need and you are used to, and brought into decentralized world. So you will have full voice up to 50 people. Video, voice, chat, file sharing, messaging, we are adding in app cryptocurrency payments with multiple wallets. We are doing mini smart contracts. And guess what!

Skrumble Network is backed by a very strong company in Canada, called Skrumble. Skrumble owns 30 global pattens and one of those pattens for example is being licensed to Skrumble Foundation. Because the data is stored across the community and you actually own your own data.

And the third component of the project is actually a communication layer that links other project and other ecosystem and gives them community. So basically we bring communication that’s secure and simple to the blockchain world.

The way that we do it include 3 core components.

We have authentication and identification management on the blockchain. What that means? For example, how do you usually sign up for an App? Well, you have to give your phone number, your email address. For us what we do is that we use your public key and it work with bunch of different people. You want to have conversation with 3 friends, it creates a secret key that only you and them have access to. And there is no centralized server so you actually own your data. Then it goes into a true secure socket layer experiences.

With our own propitiatory P2P technology and then it has a rich media experiences voice, video, messaging, file sharing. We have all the data secure and sliced up over the community own nodes. Very secure. And guess what? It cant be blocked by firewalls. A bit of our timeline and roadmap, we have already launched our test version of our beta App, and wild-spread version will be available in late July.

So from there we are able to deliver our test-net. Our test-net will be available around September or October. And from there we will be able to get our Main-net ready around Q1 next year. And you gonna have all the true data secure. So it’s really gonna to be the revolution in communication.

譯：非常感謝Alan 和 Gloria。讓我來回答一下這個非常棒的問題。就像大家知道的，區塊鏈是世界的未來，根據德勤的報告，在2027年，全球將有超過10%的GDP將在區塊鏈上。所以區塊鏈是未來去中心化的發展趨勢。

問題是，如果你對于現有的app或者通訊方式進行觀察，沒有一個是為去中心化的世界所打造的。事實上，這些都是中心化的，你沒辦法擁有你的數據。

在這個擁有加密貨幣和安全數據存儲的新型去中心化世界中數十億美元面臨風險的重要時刻，(我們)需要更好的解決方案。我們觀察了整個通訊市場，反復思考，如何才能把這一切做的更好。在這重要的時間，有上億的資金在這個去中心化的世界在虛擬貨幣上，我們的數據必須得到有效的保護。所以我們創建了Skrumble Network這個項目。Skrumble Network是第一個真正意義上的去中心化的通訊生態系統。

很靠譜，它意味著我們需要3個核心組成部分來進行我們的項目。

Skrumble Network 的第一個重要組成是全球首個以通訊為中心的區塊鏈。我們相信，區塊鏈的下一個重點是一個垂直的區塊鏈，無論是我們在討論通訊或者是游戲，區塊鏈應該是可以適應不同的用戶需求。

比如說我現在給你在以太上轉賬幾百萬，在以太坊上可能需要幾十秒到一分鐘的時間，這感覺很棒，因為你可以等待。但是通訊不是這樣，如果我想要用微信和你聊天，我們最好能在10秒內連接上。

這樣的使用案例是非常重要的，同時我們也必須保證它是非常安全和便于使用的。這是我們的第一個重要組成，所有的認證過程將在區塊鏈上完成。我接下來會給大家介紹一些技術上的東西。

第二個重要組成是我們的Dapp，一個去中心化的應用。我們將打造區塊鏈上的微信，我們將所有您現在使用的通訊聊天工具放在區塊鏈上放在去中心化的世界里。我們將會把您的視頻，聲音，聊天，文件以及信息等放在帶有多個錢包的加密貨幣支付應用里，這是一個迷你型的智能合約。

Skrumble Network是由加拿大的一家科技巨頭公司Skrumble支持的!Skrumble擁有超過30項全球專利技術，其中有一項技術就給到了Skrumble基金會。因為數據儲存在社區節點上，所以你在真正意義上擁有了自己的數據。

SKM項目的第三個重要組成部分是一個通訊層，程序員將會可以直接給到其他程序和App接入的機會。并建立社區。這樣我們就把安全和簡便的通訊接入到區塊鏈的世界當中去了。

我們實現這一技術有三個重要組成部分。

第一，我們將認證和識別管理放在了區塊鏈上。意思是說，比如你通常是怎樣在APP上注冊的?是的，你需要提供你的電話號碼，郵件地址或者你的公民身份證。而在SKM，我們使用你的公鑰與他人互動，比如你和三個人進行對話，它將生成一個只有你和他們能夠有權限進入的密鑰。第二，因為沒有中央服務器，所以你擁有自己的數據。第三，SKM將使用其特有的p2p (點對點)技術打造富媒體流(包含信息，語言和視頻等)通訊體驗。再值得一提的是，這個技術非常安全。

說一點關于我們的時間節點和發展線路的信息，我們已經開發了app的測試版本，并將在七月底進行大規模公測。從這里開始，我們將會在今年9月完成我們的測試網絡，在明年的第一季度完成主網。

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Alan:

Ok, I really agree with it. Actually men confused about data leaks, we use apps and actually this area leaks our details of ID with our secret main data or birth or even what type of people you like.

譯：是的，我非常同意。事實上大家都在為數據泄漏擔憂，實際上我們使用的APP也在泄漏我們的主要身份和出生信息，甚至包含你喜歡什么類型的人。

Eric:

That’s right Alan. You know people are starting to be very smart and educated about this topic. We heard from many people that the days of just having your information stored or leaked or anything like this that is not acceptable anymore. Because they don’t know what happened to their data and people really want their data to be secure.

譯：是這樣的Alan。你也知道關于這些人們的經驗也越來越豐富了。很多人說他們再也不能接受自己的信息或被存儲或或泄露這樣的日子了。因為他們并不知道他們的信息最終會去到哪里， ?們也很恐慌，想要自己的數據安全。

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Alan:

Yes, I agree. I think we need time to make it more open or fit the fast moved rusher of Blockchain.

譯：是的我同意。 我認為我們需要時間讓它更加開放，或者適應快速發展的區塊鏈。

Eric:

對。

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Alan:

The second question: as I heard that we are going to have our MVP version soon , is that right? So what are the key features of Skrumble, how Skrumble Network incorporating real time communication into its blockchain?

譯：第二個問題是，據我所知，SKM即將上線MVP 版本，是這樣嗎?因此，Skrumble的主要特色是什么，它又是如何將實時通信納入其區塊鏈中的?

Eric:

That’s a great question Alan. So basically Skrumble Network and Dapp, for example, will enable realtime communication with anyone around the world. It can’t be blocked and you can do anything you want, similar to WeChat. However, you will also be able to do for voice, video, messaging, file sharing and in-app cryptocurrency payments. So we can do exactly this kind of broadcast without any limits on the amount of people in the group. We can have 15,000 people in the group. You can have realtime voice, video and broadcast and ready to go. People can literally sent cryptocurrency “HONG BAO” with different cryptocurrencies, thats just one example.

(直播現場刷屏的消息)

We can name it as global Wechat. Because global Wechat means everyone is truly connected and it’s really designed for the new digital blockchain world.

譯：簡單來說，Skrumble Network(舉例 Dapp)不僅僅可以實現全球內即時通訊，體驗類似于微信。同時你還可以實現語音，視頻和文件傳輸，同時還有加密貨幣支付錢包。我們還可以進行這樣的采訪，不受社群人數限制。比如說可以有5,000人在這個采訪里，你可以在群里準備直播，直接發不同幣種的紅包等等。

我們可以定義它是“全球微信”。因為全球微信意味著所有人都是被聯系在一起的，同時它也是為新的區塊鏈世界量身打造的技術。

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Alan：

So the 3rd question is about just give a short about the background of Skrumble and also the team , and how we going to match those strong resources into the Skrumble blockchain version in the future. That’s really good for the SKM to the月球.

譯：第三個問題：能簡單講講Skrumble的背景和團隊嗎，以及未來我們如何將這些強大的資源匹配到Skrumble區塊鏈版本中?這對于SKM登陸月球是非常棒的。

Eric:

Thats a great question Alan! Skrumble is a company as you said has been around since 2014. It is co-founded by myself and David. We have a very strong team over 40 different people. We have 27 developers and tech experts. We also have 30 global pattens. We are developing 14 new ones for the blockchain. We also have extensive blockchain expertise on the team. We really have the ability to really deliver this. A lot of projects raise money first and hopefully hire a team and figure it out later. We already have the team and we are executing now with fast pace. The other thing that make us different, we are already in market, we already have success, and we already have many clients in the fortune 500, such as Hitachi.

譯：Skrumble是由我和我父親David在2014年創辦的科技公司。我們擁有一個超過40人的強大團隊，這其中包含27名優秀的科技開發人員。我們有30項全球專利，同時我們在研發14項區塊鏈全球專利。我們擁有各方面的人才能夠保證項目的完成。許多項目都是先籌錢再找團隊，而我們已經擁有一個成熟的團隊并正在快速發展中，另一個使我們與眾不同的方面是我們已經在市場上取得了成功，并和許多財富500強公司建立了合作關系，比如日立。這使我們和其他公司顯得不同，并且給SKM提供了強大的后備支持。

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Alan：

Yeah, that’s the great point that we do the investment. We get deep passion about the team, so great!

譯：是的，這就是我們投資的重要的原因，我們感受到了團隊的激情，很棒!

Eric:

When people come to our office in Canada, they see all our technology and team, they really like the amount of expertise we have. They want to get involved. That's how you are able to get some of the top advisors in the world. Like Anthony DiIorio, who’s co-founder of Etheruem, Jeff Pulver who started Vonage, Jiunus Tu , the CTO of Aion, and professor of University of Toronto who is the head of Blockchain.

譯：朋友來到我們位于加拿大的辦公室時，他們看到了我們的技術和團隊，并且對我們所擁有的技術人員數量非常感興趣，他們也想融入進來。這就是我們能夠得到世界頂級顧問的方式。比如以太坊的聯合創始人Anthony DiIorio，Vonage的創始人Jeff Pulver，Aion的CTO Jiunus Tu，以及多倫多大學的商學院教授DR. Elkamhi。

(Anthony DiIorio)

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Alan：

OK thats great , I have strong confidence about its future. Well, as you can see now we are having a live on WeChat cross almost 50 groups with 15,000 people online , which we call china-style. Actually I found that it also an type of consensus, how do you think about Skrumble Network to establish consensus technically ?

譯：太棒了!我對Skrumble的未來更有信心了。您也知道，我們正在微信上實況直播加轉播近50個群，15000人在線，這就是我們所說的中國風。我發現它也是一種共識機制，您如何看待Skrumble在技術上達成共識?

Eric:

That’s a good question. For more details, please check out our white paper. Very simply, we use our own D-PBFT consensus algorithm. What that means? We are able to reach consensus in a very fast rate. It doesn't matter the amount of data, it’s more about the speed at which we reach it. The reason why we use this is because, as I mentioned to you before if I want to send you something on Ethereum, it’s ok to wait 1-2 mins. But like what we are doing right now on WeChat it suppose to connect very fast. So we have our own hyper solution. We have the ID management and secret key generation on the blockchain. All the communication is done in a hybrid way with the data stored across multiple community nodes. What we are doing right now to 50,000 people around world with full voice, video, messaging and the ability to send cryptocurrency “HONG BAO”, it cant be blocked by any country and truly it’s a communication revolution.

譯：關于共識技術，這是個很好的問題。更多信息可以在我們的白皮書中找到。很簡單，我們使用的是D-PBFT共識技術。那就是我們可以快速完成共識，它跟數據量的多少沒有關系，我們完成共識的速度才是最為重要的。我們使用這項技術的原因是因為，就像我之前提到的那樣，如果我想在以太坊上像你發送東西，那么等待一兩分鐘是沒有問題的，但如果我們想要在微信上快速完成通話，它必須是能馬上連接上的。因此，我們使用了特有的超解決方案，在區塊鏈上擁有ID管理和密鑰生成功能。所有通信都是以混合方式完成的，數據存儲在多個社區節點中。 我們現在正在向全球50,000人提供全面的語音，視頻，短信和發送加密貨幣“紅包”的服務，這真的是一場通信革命。

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Alan：

Ok, sounds exciting! Actually I and Eric and his wife got really good relationships and know each other for many years, its really honor to see the project running so fast and have it’s bright future. As I consider blockchain technology is most honors in the world , it must be the next generation of internet, and is likely to create trillion dollars of economic value globally over the next decades. In my opinion, the blockchain technology will be used in many industries including financial services, energy, supply chain, insurance, real estate, legal services and many others, its really lucky for us to jump in. I started to know about the blockchain since 2013 and it’s very encourage to jump in this new world and new industry. Just like Eric, me myself, the BlockVC, CoinMeet and also Skrumble and other lots of Dapps, we are trying to involve and put our energy into this blockchain industry. We wanna to make our power to relate to people and to make it a big and better future. So I believe that we all will have a free confidence and a remarkable future.

Ok, so the talk show is about 1 hour, we got the last question for Eric, your wish for the future of SKM and yourself, just talk about it.

譯：棒極了。我和Eric夫婦是很好的朋友，真的非常榮幸能看到這樣有發展前景的項目發展如此迅速。如我所認為的那樣，區塊鏈是全世界最具榮耀的技術，它必定是下一代互聯網，并有可能在未來十年在全球范圍內創造數萬億美元的經濟價值。我認為，未來區塊鏈技術將會被應用到許多行業，包括金融服務，能源，供應鏈，保險，房地產，法律服務和其他許多行業，我們真的很幸運能夠進入到這個行業。我是2013年開始接觸到區塊鏈的，能夠進入到這個新的世界和產業中是非常激勵人的。就像Eric一樣，我，BlockVC，CoinMeet以及Skrumble還有其他許多的應用，我們正在試圖把我們的能量融入到這個區塊鏈產業中去。我們想要使我們的力量鏈接到更多的人去創造一個美好的宏大未來。因此，我相信我們會擁有自信和紀念意義的未來。

最后一個問題，您對您自己和SKM的未來都有哪些愿景呢?

Eric:

Sure, the wish for Skrumble for the future is to actually change the world of communication. We went on a 15 city world tour as part of launching the Skrumble Network Project. We had a chance to speak around 30 events and meet a lot of amazing people. We went to several cities in China and talk to a lot of people. The chance is now. The time is now. As you said, there is so many new verticals and industries that going to be affected by the blockchain technology. However, every single one needs communication, no matter what industries you are in. Thats why the communication industries is 5 trillion dollars. Say for the financial industry, you can’t just say “hey, I am going to send you some ETH, and here you go, what’s your wallet address? ” . You have to talk. You have to negotiate. You have to discuss things and context is everything. Communication is global. It needs to be secure and it’s the true future of blockchain. That’s how we gonna change the world with Skrumble Network together.

謝謝大家!辛苦了!

譯：我們進行了全球15個城市的路演，在大大小小30個活動上有機會進行演講。我們也訪問了許多國內的城市和很多業內的大佬。我們也去了中國的許多城市，和很多人交流過。正如你說的那樣，現在就是最好的時機去發展，接下來各個領域都會依仗區塊鏈，而大家都需要通訊技術，無論您是在哪個行業。對于金融領域來說，你不能直接說“嗨，我給你一些以太坊，你的錢包地址是什么”，你需要互相溝通。所以我們認為通訊和溝通是必須的。它需要確保安全，這也將是區塊鏈發展的未來。以上就是我們想和Skrumble Network一起改變世界的想法。

謝謝大家!辛苦了!

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Alan：

Yes, I think all the involver in the blockchain area just like us, we all just make our own consensus to be more better, more open and more faster and more fit the digital society. And today so great for inviting Eric, the co-founder of Skrumble Network to the MingTalks. And next we are going to invite a lot of people like Eric, leading the global blockchain industry, and we are going to discuss how to make the future better, about the economy, about the industry details.

And we are trying to reach everyone to notice about the blockchain technology itself and to involve the energy into the blockchain technology to make it improved. One day, I believe that as a communication, we are going to make everyone to use, to fit, to handle the blockchain world.

譯：是的，我認為所有參與區塊鏈的人，就像我們一樣，致力于使我們的共識機制更加開放，更加適應這個快速發展的數字社會。今天很榮幸能夠邀請到Skrumble Network的聯合創始人Eric來到我們的“明說塊問”。接下來，我們將邀請更多像Eric這樣在區塊鏈行業的領軍人物，大家一起探討經濟，探討行業知識，探討如何讓未來更加美好。

現在我們也在努力普及區塊鏈技術給所有人，給區塊鏈注入更多能量讓它更加完善。相信有一天，作為一個通訊工具，我們能讓更多的人去使用，去適應和掌握區塊鏈的世界。

Eric:

It’s really been an amazing pleasure. Thank you so much for having Skrumble Network in your amazing chat with so many people and I wanna to say thank you to the best community in the world, the Skrumble Network Community. We really couldn’t be where at without them. We already have over 80,000 people across telegram, WeChat, and any other channels. In addition we also really like to thank BlockVC, who’s truly becoming one of top global leaders in the blockchain and true 專家, true experts.

譯：非常感謝大家能有機會來在這里，同時也非常感謝能和這么多人一起討論Skrumble Network。同時也非常感謝我們最棒的Skrumble Network社群。沒有他們就沒有現在的我們。現在我們在電報，微信和其他渠道中已經擁有超過80萬名成員。同時也想感謝BlockVC，他們是這個領域內真正的頂級專家。

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Alan：

Ok, thank you Eric, thank you Skrumble, Next time we are going to invite another great partners in blockchain, so we finish today and we can also wait for the translator for it’s translation. And thank you for both translators.

譯：好的，感謝Eric，感謝Skrumble。下一期我們將邀請區塊鏈領域內另一位伙伴來做客，今天我們的訪談到此結束啦，大家可以等待一下我們的翻譯稍后提供的翻譯內容。同時也感謝兩位翻譯的工作。

?明說塊問?第二期成功邀請到了嚴肅，UNetwork聯合創始人對話李明軒。歡迎掃碼進群，鎖定6月14日晚19點，我們不見不散。

嚴肅，價值內容第一平臺UNetwork(UUU)聯合創始人，硅谷密探聯合創始人。畢業于麻省大學，在Lyft等硅谷科技公司擔任研發工程師，曾在IJCAI等頂級計算機學術會議上發表論文。